David Leggat - giving it to you straight

Monday, 20 September 2010

THE REAL HUNS

THERE is a marvellous part of Paul Brickhill's wonderful biography of Sir Douglas Bader, 'Reach For The Sky,' which recalls when the Battle of Britain fighter pilot hero is being questioned by a German officer.

It is just after Bader became a POW, and the German adopts a softy-softy approach, saying to Bader that he knows the British always call them, Jerries.

Bader, always pugnacious, quickly interjects and corrects his interrogator by saying: "No we don't. We call you Huns."

Which gives a perfect example of just who or what Huns historically are. There is a long history behind this term, and those who bandy it about as a jibe at Rangers and their supporters are clearly ingnorant of that history.

In the ranks of the ignorant I include the editor of the Scotsman,  John McLennan . His newspaper was deluged by complaints after a cartoon appeared featuring the German Pope waving to Rangers fans in the aftermath of the draw at Old Trafford, and remarking that it was a good day all round for Huns.

McLennan was so under siege  he took a step unusual for an editor-in-chief of publishing a signed apology. It was however, weasel-worded, as he admitted to being a Rangers fan, brought up in the West of Scotland who was frequently referred to as a Hun by his Celtic supporting friends, and insisted he took no offence from it.

WELL HE SHOULD!

And indeed he would if he knew the history of the word in the 20th century. What will surprise all but the most erudite of readers, is that it was first used in July 1900 by Kaiser Wilhelm 111 as he spoke to German troops being sent to China to put down the Boxer Rebellion.

What Kaiser Bill said was this: "Prisoners will not be taken. Once, a thousand years ago the Huns, under their king, Attila, made a name for themselves, one still potent in legend and tradition. May you in this way make the name of Germany remembered for a thousand years, so that no Chinaman will ever again dare to even squint at a German."

There followed a period of German barbarism when the Germans, taking the Kaiser at his word, perpetrated the first genocide of the 20th century, as a forerunner to the Holocaust.

It was during 1904 in German south west Africa - what we know today as Nambia - that General Lothar von Trotha slaughtered 60,000 of the Herero tribe and 8,000, from a population of 10,000, of the Nama tribe.

This led to the Germans becoming widely known as Huns, an epithet which gained even more of a common currency ten years later at the outbreak of the Great War.

During the Second World War, Nazi Germany perfected the barbaric techniques of mass extermination, putting six million Jews to death, plus uncounted millions of Romany people, Slavs, and even their own countrymen, should they be unfortunate enough to suffer any mental illness, or be homosexual.

Huns, in the tradition of  Attila, indeed, but to an extent the Mongolian warlord could never have imagined.

It was a word still  used into the mid 1970s when that fine and learned Scot, Jeremy Issacs, produced the definitive television history of the 1939-45 fight for the survival of civilisation against the Huns, The World At War.

Many of those interviewed, in a series which is often re-run on the History , Yesterday or Discovery channels, refer to those from Nazi Germany as Huns, just as Bader did when confronted with one.

Therefore those who use it to describe Rangers and the club's supporters are either extremely ignorant, or believe the Ibrox club and its  supporters can be compared to the SS, the Gestapo and all the others who were responsible for genocide.

Brian Reade of the Daily Mirror is another who is either a fool or a bigot after he tried to be a smart alec by using it, referring to Rangers , in a recent column in that once great but now laughable rag.

One man who would not tolerate it being used was the wee guy who I thought was one of the best things ever to happen to Scottish football, the fellow who rescued Celtic from oblivion, the wonderful Fergus McCann.

I always thought Celtic as a club were at their best and most admirable when McCann was calling the shots and a good pal of mine, Jim Cullen, a Celtic supporter who owned The Montrose Bar, where I often shared a shandy with Billy McNeill and other Parkhead legends, idolised wee Fergus.

Of course there may be many with Celtic DNA who disagree. Who think McCann was not as great a Celt as I and my pal big Jim believed.

However, I am sure there are others, like so many of the Celtic supporters who have been my friends down through the years, and who may not have been completely aware of just what the history of the epithet, Huns is.

They know now!

Though I am just as sure there are others who won't take a blind bit of notice of this wee lesson to let them know the history, and will continue to apply the the insult, Huns to Rangers and the club's fans.

Fergus McCann had his own insult for those people. He called them bigots.
 

30 Comments:

At 20 September 2010 15:34 , Anonymous James Torbett said...

You have to laugh at anyone calling Rangers fans "huns" but for it to come from Celtic fans is downright ridiculous.

In 2006 the Irish Times described Celtic fans who had attacked a parade of IRA victims in Dublin as ''deeply prejudiced and sectarian'' whilst the popular Irish music magazine “Hot-Press” described the same Bheasts as ''the closest thing we have to the British National Party in Ireland'' adding:

''Of one thing there can be no doubt however. Glasgow Celtic supporters who participated in the mayhem peddle a uniquely Irish Fascism. They don't have any understanding of what Republicanism means.'' Ouch!
Anti-Racism pressure group SARI (Sports Against Racism in Ireland) wrote to Celtic Park asking for their comments on the incident. Predictably they got no reply.

theres more………

Hopefully these links will help to educate people why Celtic fans love-in with the IRA and are prone to making Nazi salutes especially when faced with Israeli opposition.

http://www.providence.edu/polisci/students/IRA/Nazi.htm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1359872/IRA-plotted-with-Nazis-to-invade-Northern-Ireland.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97GxY8zHb88

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080805222743AAp0poW

http://www.victims.org.uk/nazi.html

http://leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/2008/03/red-ken-and-nazis-2.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article411647.ece

http://www.ww2f.com/battle-europe/13283-operation-kathleen-ira-nazis.html

https://israel.indymedia.org/mod/comments/display/3308/index.php

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/priest-in-nazi-row-briefed-on-ira-criminality-473507.html

http://www.thehistorychannel.co.za/site/tv_guide/full_details/Conflict/programme_3496.php

and loads of info here
http://ifyouknowtheirhistory.blogspot.com/search?q=nazi

 
At 20 September 2010 15:35 , Anonymous Gordy said...

Sorry Mr. Leggat, this time I don't share your disguet regarding the name "Hun" I was unaware of the origins of the name and I'm sure there are many others like me. However a name is a name is a name. Doesn't bother me in the least.
Please do not let us act the way of the tim. Being offended at name calling is a bit pathetic, come on, admit it.
The tim complain about the least wee thing and that's one of the reasons why they are universally despised and hold the title of "MOPE" (Most offended people ever)

Leave that"outrage" for them please

 
At 20 September 2010 15:52 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Once again the great revisionists change history, when i was a young boy the East End of the Glasgow rivalry was known as the Huns, because of their Irish heritage when that country helped the Nazis during the second world war. The Republic refused and even removed Jews fleeing from the Holocaust and also gave safe harbour to the Nazis submarines who then went on to sink allied merchant ships killing hundreds of British sailors. If we allow the revisionist to continually change our history they will be telling us next how Ireland stood alone against the Nazis and defended European freedom and liberties we all enjoy today. No I'm afraid it doesn't work that way, the Eastenders are the true Huns, we know it and what's more they know it.

 
At 20 September 2010 15:59 , Anonymous BritishandProud said...

Gordy, I take it your surname is Handwringer.

 
At 20 September 2010 16:10 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fairplay to Mr Leggat.At least he doesn't go down crazy road and accuse the term of being sectarian.It's a wee nickname for Rangers fans,used across the land.They don't like it then tough but huns they shall remain.

 
At 20 September 2010 16:18 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anonymous @ 16:10 just as Leggo explains of the Mirror man, you are either ignorant or a bigot. More likely the latter ;-)

 
At 20 September 2010 16:23 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Im pretty sure the current meaning of Huns came from Ian Archer. After the Barcelona Cup winners cup riot, he describe the Rangers fans as a "horde of rampaging hun". Surely if we are seeking the true definition of the word, all sources must be credited.?

 
At 20 September 2010 16:24 , Anonymous Jaz said...

Rangers fans (apart from the self-loathing "Gordy") know who the real "huns" are. How could we ever forget the underclass that follow that club chanting "Malvinas, Malvinas" in support of Fascist Murderer Galtieri's military dictatorship during the Falkland's conflict? It should also be noted that The Theatre Of Shame was shut for a month by the SFA during WW2 due to the "pro-Nazi chanting" of The Bheast.

The Bheast is always keen to declare his clubs links to Oul' Oirland, Militant Irish Republicanism and the Roman Catholic Church. Were he ever to educate rhat than indoctrinate himself, he would be well aware of the inextricable link between all three and Hitlar's Nazi's.

I know what my Grandfather was doing during the war. Can Bheastie say the same?

 
At 20 September 2010 16:42 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jaz,was your grandfather in the shipyards working with all the other huns?Wasn't that what the hun players did?Got a wee job in the shipyards?Celtic had more players fighting the war than Rangers.If you know your history.

 
At 20 September 2010 16:48 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a proud Rangers fan, and I will happily tell other folk that I am a hun. I know plenty of Celtic fans who describe themselves a good Tims. I will readily describe myself as a good hun.

Leggo and his like need to get over it. Try and see the bigger picture.

Here's to the huns making it to 54 in 2011 !

 
At 20 September 2010 17:18 , Anonymous GuyIncognito said...

^^You sir are an idiot^^ Calling yourself a hun. Disgraceful. Why do Celtc fans sing "go home ya huns" to fans other than those of Rangers? Usually Hearts but I've also heard it directed at Motherwell fans too.

 
At 20 September 2010 17:26 , Anonymous Paul Shark said...

/\ /\ I am a proud Rangers fan, and I will happily tell other folk that I am a hun. I know plenty of Celtic fans who describe themselves a good Tims. I will readily describe myself as a good hun. /\/\


Do you know any who describe themselves good taigs, fenians, tottie houghters, potential pedo's? As I dont find these names I call them offensive

 
At 20 September 2010 17:46 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Equating the word Hun and Tim is ridiculous. Celtic fans refer to themselves as Tims, there is a shop in the East End called Tim land. It's like us calling ourselves bears. It's a term of affection. Hun is a derogatory term. You won't find any Celtic fan proudly calling themselves a good taig, tarrier, tattie picker or fenian. These are derogatory terms that are quite rightly not allowed to be used in print. So to refer to yourself as a hun or even take it as light hearted banter is stupid in the extreme. Next time a mate calls you a hun and laughs call him a taig and see how he reacts.

 
At 20 September 2010 18:07 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's a webiste which is clearly maintained by a Rangers fan - its actually quite informative, and clearly the guy is an uber-fan. The name of the webiste ? www.bighun1.com !
Clearly this guy is not on the offended bus, like the rest of the permarage huns on this page. Hun - its just a name - embrace it - because you are all huns.

 
At 20 September 2010 18:16 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

2010 16:18 , Anonymous said...
To Anonymous @ 16:10 just as Leggo explains of the Mirror man, you are either ignorant or a bigot. More likely the latter ;-)

Not so though,For me to be a bigot Rangers would need to be a religion or a race.Perhaps i may suggest you and the original author are just a bit ignorant?

 
At 20 September 2010 19:25 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

What religion and race are fenians?

 
At 20 September 2010 19:54 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

@18:07 It's fine. You're a taig then. Just a name. Embrace it because you're all taigs. Let's see how offended you're average taig is when he is called it in print. Oh wait.. that can't happen because the most offended people in the world (Who complain about Religious songs whilst belting out IRA numbers at every away game) would never let it happen.

And the guy who runs BigHun.com is just thick. So called Rangers fan or not.

 
At 20 September 2010 20:38 , Anonymous Gordy said...

Some of the previous posters need to get a grip.
If you're truly that offended, why don't you do something about it instead of spouting all your anonymous mock outrage.
Grow up FFS ! Once you leave primary school you'll have bigger things than name calling to worry about.

 
At 20 September 2010 22:20 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

So Rangers supporters find the word "Hun" offensive. That's a wee shame. Football supporters using naughty words to describe their rivals? You're right, that's totally unacceptable.

Could you please supply a list of "nice" names you would like the rest of us to use. We love you really, you see.

 
At 20 September 2010 22:59 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Huns will be huns.Even the judge in Manchester made the connection.

 
At 21 September 2010 00:02 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anonymous @ 22.20

Apart from the fact that Rangers fans did indeed call Celtic fans " huns " when i was growing up in the 70's, due to thier motherlands support of the nazi huns during ww2, it's as offensive as someone printing or saying the word Fenian in describing a follower of Celtic.

To Anonymous @ 22.59

M'lord clearly forgot to compare the damage caused by 250 drunken neds (who were not at the match with the rest of us 37000 bluenoses) to the damage caused by the murderous IRA so beloved of all Celtic fans, when they bombed the Arndale Centre in Manchester, when making his now ill advised and embarrassing comment.
History will, and does show that the huns are the green and grey horde descendants of the emerald isle and thier cowardly actions during world war 2.
The "fighting irish" ...pah,..dont make me laugh.
You have as much fight as those brave italians who surrendered so meekly to the huns.
No Surrender.

 
At 21 September 2010 00:17 , Anonymous Alan said...

I dont care about being called a hun, infact anything the dirty unwashed taigs want to call me they can, I dont care for them at all.

Only thing that gets me is this H word keeps coming up in press yet it is used as a derogatory term for a protestant in NI (as seen in Orange Order march protest's this year) and in Scotland (as seen on Sunday when tims played Killie) then the history as Leggat has described above, yet it is the plastic paddy's that had their ground closed for pro nazi singing.

 
At 21 September 2010 06:29 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rangers fans are way too sensitive and should lighten up and let the Celtic fans call them whatever they want as it's only banter after all.
Of course Celtic fans as a persecuted minority are in great need of protection and should therefore have control over not only what they are called but what people think about them.

 
At 21 September 2010 11:43 , Anonymous Jaz said...

Anonymous at 20 September 2010 16:42

As always, The Bheast perpetuates his lies and myths. Next you'll be telling us Stein knew nothing of Torbett's activities and that Ireland's Shame were formed purely to feed the poor of the East End!

You are not normal people.

 
At 21 September 2010 14:18 , Anonymous WeeBudsBud said...

The famine is quite clearly over. Why don`t the bead rattlers, Gallagate Gallacticos, tawtie munchers, paedo harbourers, mhawkits and Scotlands REAL shame from the Glitterdome, Torbett Towers, Big Jock Knew Camp stadium just go home.

Steak Pie FC. Deflect and deny. It`s ra Shellik way since 188B. The original HUNS since 1915.

 
At 21 September 2010 16:03 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

For all you Follow Follow'ers out there :

Did you know that the_gub also posts as Mr Super Bad ? He does you know. And his (their!) real name is Sandy Mackinnon.

Sandy is the originator of the big lie. Hope he keeps looking over his shoulder.

 
At 22 September 2010 22:38 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re: anon at 16.03. Who gives a fuck? You pop up with the same cowardly piss all over these blogs. You are a boring,boring insignificant bastard. I can just imagine you sitting in your lonely wee hovel feeling all big & smug when you post the same shite yet again. Nobody cares what his fuckin name is! So pathetic. GET A LIFE!!!

 
At 24 September 2010 03:40 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The problem facing bears is that you have far too many names for the taigs. Whether it be fenians, bheasts (pretty much any word where 'h' is the second letter), mhanks, bhead rhattlers, 'earl haigs',etc. the Tims have one word to describe the Rangers support with the highly offensive 'H' word. I agree, something has to be done about this outrage. It doesn't help that non-Rangers supporting fans of other clubs call you the same thing (mostly Protestant to boot!!!), so I agree, you should just settle on one comeback and hope it will stick like the 'H' word does to you people. Good luck from an impartial Hearts supporting observer.

 
At 7 October 2010 20:44 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re: anon at 22.38 - somebody has got right under your hun skin ! Mind you, if you want to read cowardly piss then check out some of the_gub/Mr Super Bad/Sandy Mac's postings. He's lower than a snake's belly. Child cancer - no worries - he'll use that to score some cheap bigoted point.

 
At 12 October 2010 11:29 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

this photo taken just yesterday shows exactly who the real huns and nazi loving ones at that are.
http://i56.tinypic.com/23stb35.jpg

 

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